Is it Fair? Beating Suspect Bond Lowered to $750.
An Antigo man, who is charged with beating a 3-year-old boy, had his bond reduced from $2,000 to $750 cash. The boy had visible facial bruising. Authorities suspect this was a result of closed-fist and slapping.
The attorney for the man charged asked for a signature bond for his client, so he may gain release.
The Judge did not grant this request, but, did lower the bond significantly to $750 cash. A no-contact order with the child or the childs family was also put into place.
The person reporting the incident stated that alcohol was involved.
The suspect is still in custody, apparently not able to post the reduced amount of $750.
I believe this is a good thing, as this guy should be in jail. No one should be beating on a 3-year-old kid!!! It doesn’t make any sense to me why the Judge did lower the bond in the first place!?
What a world we live in!
**********UPDATE 09/15/08****************
Ronald J. Hogy has been convicted and sentenced to 3 years in prison, minus jail time served. You can read the full article in the Antigo Journal HERE.
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This is made funnier by the $75,000 cash bond ordered for one of the arrests involving a local pot grower this past summer. Hurting a child is a far worse crime than growing a plant(in my eyes and the eyes of god), but hurting a child is a slap on the wrist. Hell, the drunk guy who hit the mexican was let out for a lowly $25000, and once again murder is worse than growing a plant(in my eyes and the eyes of god). I highly doubt that Greening will be sheriff again. This sh*t never occurred under Steger’s control.
I agree with Mr. Jameson completely. I have huge issues with people who hurt children. The only thing I have to say is, its Antigo.
I will not say anything bad other than the fact things were defianately better when Steger was sheriff.
People have their opinions about Greening, It could be worse he could be president.
Greening has nothing to do with the amount of bonds…thank Ralph Uttke and Judge Kawalski.
Greening needs to go!!!!!!!
Uttke needs to go.
The sheriff’s department has sensationalized the small local drug busts to make themselves look good. Any taxpaying adult should be able to grow a few plants on their own property without worrying about going to jail. To waste taxpayer money developing a Cannabis erradication taskforce is a shame. In an open vote, marijuana would be legal in our country. Mr. Greening needs to go after real criminals and leave home growers alone.
Leave marijuana growers alone? Tell that to the gentleman who almost lost his life when he was hit on his motorcycle by a young man who was smoking marijuana! Illegal is illegal and growing marijuana is illegal. Should we let meth labs go to since they are usually done on their own property? If sex offenders look at children on the internet at their own residence is that ok too? Where exactly do we draw the line? Everyone who breaks the law thinks what they do should be ok and legal and we should leave them alone.
Gee, I sure wish I would have had the oppurtunity to have my life hanging under the fingers of a dope-smoking ER doctor. I hope he gets the chance to work here again.
It’s funny how everyone points fingers at Greening. Since when does Greening have a say in what the court system decides?
Leave marijuana growers alone? IT IS AGAINST THE LAW!!! Period!!!
I agree with the last 4 posts 100%! Greening has done a fantastic job so far with drug busts, which is VERY important! Nobody should be allowed to grow any plants, even if it is “on their own property”. The law is the law, get used to it.
Would you all be saying that drinking beer on your own property shouldn’t be allowed if beer was illegal?
Isn’t is funny that one of the local pot growers received the same bail as a man plotting to kill his wife? I know that god would only condem one of these men for their actions. Who has said that the fine Dr. Moore had ever treated anyone at the hospital while under the influence of a plant? Amphetamines are a drug. No questions to be asked. Marijauna is a plant. George Washington grew marijauna. I guess we should remove him from the $1 bill and blast his face off of Mt. Rushmore. You police-state, hatemongers sicken me.
“I have given you all the seed-bearing plants and herbs to use…” Genesis 1;12
Kim- If beer was illegal, then yes people shouldn’t be drinking, no matter where they are. But beer isn’t as bad as marijuana or other drugs. Yes, beer causes intoxication and can cause people to make bad decisions, but many drugs can affect others around the person using it as well. Bascially, it’s second hand smoke on steroids.
John- George Washington lived in the 1700s, before anyone knew the effects of drugs. For all he knew, he just had a better crop of tobacco than the nex guy. In today’s times where we know the effects, the circumstances are different and make it wrong.
Sometimes we need to learn how the court system works. The DA asks for a certain bond to be set, the lawyer for the person charged with a crimes asks for a certain bond to be set and then the judge looks at the crime, the defendents ability to pay the bond and decides how much it shall be. The DA does not have a say so in the how much it is, he just gives his recommendations. And by the way the good DR, was growing enough marijuana for a felony offense and not only for his use. And by the way, breaking the law is a sin, per the bible and as Jesus stated on the cross to the murder who believed in Jesus and begged forgiveness of his sins, that no matter what the sin the punishment is the same unless you believe in him and ask forgiveness. The murderer went to Heaven and the thief went to hell to suffer everlasting death. I am not stating that we should punish all criminals alike or defending the amount of the bail, but, obviously the man could not post the $750, and most likely the judge knew this and by the way what happened to innocent till proven guilty? We weren’t their we do not know the circumstances and I have seen people convicted of crimes they did not do, one because of having to have a public defender who didn’t give a dam and works for the county, before even speaking with the person they automatically recommended a plea bargain of guilty to a lesser crime and only having probation, through a letter in the mail (this person and the other person, had never even been in trouble before and did not do the crime they were charged of), one was dropped because the person backed out of the charges stating they were not true and the other one is in the appeal court because the private lawyer that was finally able to be afforded could not understand why the person was convicted when they had no evidence only hear say, and two because, the attitude around here is you are being charged with the crime so you must have done it. I see more and more of that all the time. Go to court listen to the facts and then decide if the person is guilty…………stop assuming just because they were charged means they are guilty. People do lie. I am not necessarily referring the this case, I have not heard of it till I read this post. I am just stating an overall fact.
Marijuana before Prohibition
Cannabis Hemp* — Marijuana — was one of the world’s biggest cash crops before it was outlawed in 1938. Its use spanned the globe. So many products were made from Hemp that in 1938, Popular Mechanics Magazine published an article about Hemp that was titled, “New Billion Dollar Crop.” The February 1938 issue of Mechanical Engineering Magazine also ran an article about Cannabis titled, “The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that can be Grown.” These magazines praised the Hemp plant for its versatility as a natural resource.
Mankind has used Hemp for thousands of years. The earliest known woven fabric was Hemp — from the 8th century BC. Hemp leaves were found with Egyptian Mummies. Ancient cultures used the drug to ease the pain of dying.
For more than a thousand years before the time of Christ until 1883 AD, Cannabis Hemp was the planet’s largest agricultural crop and most important industry, involving thousands of products and businesses. Hemp was used to produce the overall majority of the earth’s fiber, fabric, lighting oil, paper, incense and medicines. It was also the primary source of food oil and protein for humans and animals.
Cannabis Hemp was so useful that governments forced their citizens to grow it by law. This natural product was so important that wars were fought over access to it. The War of 1812 — between the U.S. and Britain — was fought over access to Russian Hemp. It was also the reason that Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812.
There was sixty tons of Hemp on the U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides) when she was launched in 1797. She is the oldest commissioned ship afloat and still serves in the U.S Navy. The sails, rigging ropes, cargo nets, sheet lines and anchor lines were all made from Hemp. The sailors’ uniforms were also made from Hemp. The flags, pennants and the caulking that was used to seal the gaps between the planks to keep the sea out of the boat were all made from Cannabis Hemp. The oil in the lamps was squeezed from Hemp seeds. The U.S.S Constitution carried well over four miles of Hemp rope. Even the Ship’s Charts, Maps, Logs, and Bibles were all made from Hemp Plant. Ninety percent of all ships’ sails from the 5th century BC until the late 19th century AD were made from Hemp. The word “canvas” is the Dutch pronunciation of the Greek word “Kannabis.”
Until 1883, from 75 to 90% of the world’s paper was made from Hemp.
The Guttenberg Bible and the first and second draft of the Declaration of Independence were written on Hemp paper. The paper made from Hemp was superior to the papyrus alternative, lasted a hundred times longer, was easier to make and produced less pollution in the process of making it. Until 1937, 70-90% of all rope, twine and cordage were made from Hemp.
Van Gogh, Rembrandt and most artists used Hemp canvas because it withstands heat, mildew, and insects and is not damaged by light. For thousands of years, all paint and varnishes were made from Hempseed oil. In 1935, 58,000 tons (116 million pounds) were used in the paint and varnish industry.
Until 1800, Hempseed oil was the most used lighting oil in the world. Abraham Lincoln wrote and read by the light of a Hempseed oil lamp. John Diesel — the inventor of the diesel engine — built the engine to run on Hempseed oil and other seed oils. Henry Ford recognized that Hemp and other renewable biomass resources could replace 90% of all fossil fuel and he even built a car out of plastics made from Hemp! According to Cornell University Science Digest (1983), Cannabis is at least four times richer in sustainable, renewable biomass/cellulose potential than its nearest rivals on the planet — cornstalk, sugarcane and kenaf trees.
Cannabis Hemp has been used for thousands of years as a medicinal Herb. Until it was outlawed, Cannabis Hemp was the second and third most used medicine in America for humans and animals. Queen Victoria used Cannabis Resins for her menstrual cramps and PMS. The US Pharmacopoeia of the 19th century stated that Cannabis should be used for treating; fatigue, fits of coughing, rheumatism, asthma, delirium tremens, migraine headaches, and the cramps and depression of menstruation.
Recent research has shown that Cannabis is useful and safe for treating many health problems including asthma, glaucoma, nausea associated with chemotherapy, tumors, epilepsy, infections, stress, anorexia, rheumatism, arthritis and multiple sclerosis. Today, we’re hearing reports about people with terrible illnesses like multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, glaucoma, cancer, etc. who are responding remarkably well to Medicinal Marijuana. Then we find that these same people are being arrested and placed in jail only to have their terrible symptoms return. Their only crime is growing and/or possessing a Medicinal Herb which has been given to us by our Creator. On the first page of the Bible — Genesis 1:29 — God gives us, “All the Seed Bearing Herbs.” Read it yourself. Even if you don’t believe the Bible, you have to admit, it’s a great reference.
Many of these people have prescriptions for Cannabis from their doctors but the Federal Government doesn’t really care about their health and would rather have them rot in the Prison-Industrial-Complex.
There are many books and papers on the subject of the medical uses of Marijuana. A good one is; “Marijuana, The Forbidden Medicine” by Lester Grinspoon, MD and James B. Bakalar. This book has case studies that follow actual patients with serious illnesses that respond favorably to Marijuana Therapy.
Cannabis Hemp was also one of the world’s most import food crops. Hempseed was used in porridge, soups and gruels by the entire world’s people until the 20th century. Hempseed oil contains the highest amount of essential fatty oils in the plant kingdom. These essential oils are responsible for our immune responses and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.
Hemp has been used as a building material for centuries. “Isochanvre,” a rediscovered French building material made from Hemp hurds — mixed with lime, petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for centuries. Archeologists found a bridge in the south of France from 600 AD that was built with this process.
Hemp building material and plywood is being manufactured today by a few eco-minded visionaries. One acre of Hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as four acres of trees. If Hemp was legal again, the world’s forests would be safe. Hemp fiber building material is inexpensive and fire retardant, with excellent thermal and sound-insulating qualities and superior strength and flexibility. Hemp produces renewable cellulose that can be used to make plastic plumbing pipe, replacing non-renewable coal or petroleum based chemicals. (Renewable resources are always superior to fossil fuels.)
And last but not least, Marijuana is the best recreational drug for fun and relaxation. It’s safer than alcohol and tobacco and isn’t addictive as these two legal drugs are known to be. In test after test and in reams of research, not one case of cancer or any other disease has been shown to be caused by Cannabis.
These two legal drugs — alcohol and tobacco — can’t make the same claim. A half million people die every year in the USA from smoking cigarettes. Another fifty thousand die from second hand smoke. And alcohol is responsible for fifty percent of all highway deaths and sixty five percent of all murders, and at least one hundred fifty thousand deaths from alcohol abuse each year. This is a lot more death than the three thousand people allegedly killed by terrorists on September 11th, 2001. And we invaded two countries to avenge that atrocity.
For the complete story about the Conspiracy against Marijuana, read
the cult Classic Classic book, “The Emperor Wears no Clothes” by
Jack Herer http://www.jackherer.com
Average citizen, you my friend are wrong in your accusaton.
“Tell that to the gentleman who almost lost his life when he was hit on his motorcycle by a young man who was smoking marijuana!”
I am not condoning the use of marijauna by anyone operating heavy machinery, but I would be willing to wajer that more people have been injured/killed by drunk drivers in the past 2 years then by marijauna, EVER! If Paul the Pabst-drinker gets drunk and then goes home and beats his wife nobody blames the Pabst. If Paul the Potsmoker smoked a joint he might… Lay on the couch and eat a bag of Cheetos or perhaps write some of the music you have enjoyed listening to for the past 50 years. Every song I seem to enjoy was written/performed by somebody who was high on pot.
John Jameson – I find it a bit sad that you only enjoy songs written by artists who are under the influence of drugs! True talent does NOT need to be distorted by illegal substances. You also cannot argue all the tragic young deaths of musicians who smoked pot regularly. You are obviously an intelligent person and certainly know your marijuana facts. I absolutely agree that alcohol abuse is as bad “if not worse” than pot. We do have laws regarding alcohol abuse, DUI and drunk and disorderly, etc. Marijuana is ILLEGAL and for good reason. Cocaine used to be in Coca Cola and given out by doctors for women with cramps! Would you advocate that we should continue to allow this as well? A question that usually stumps marijuana advocates is: “Would you allow your children to smoke it in your home?” No decent parent would, just as no decent parent would sit around watching their kids get drunk. Maybe you illegally smoke pot and it makes you feel great. Maybe you sit on the couch and eat Cheetos and mind your own business. Maybe I drink a legal glass of wine once in a while and secretly dance in my living room to hip hop! We are both fairly harmless. However, some people who drink wine get nasty and want to fight. We all know a drunk like this! Some pot smokers also get mean and they look for trouble and they usually find it. They all aren’t “chill” with the munchies like in the old SNL skits. These people also get crazy and end up behind the wheel and kill innocent human beings! The fact is: Marijuana is ILLEGAL whether you like it or not and if you choose to use, grow, or whatever, you break the law, subjecting yourself to arrest, fines and jail. PERIOD. As far as the local Doctor, he is very simply innocent until proven guilty.
If smoking marijauna wasn’t a crime, the pot smokers wouldn’t be forced to live like criminals. If you tell a person that they are a criminal for long enough, they will start to act like a criminal. Al Capone and John Dillinger made a criminal enterprise from selling illegal booze at a much higher price(due to the risk of the black market). The murder, extortion, and bribery that came with prohibiton were awful. When prohibition went away the crime went away with it. Prohibition is the current problem with pot. If it were legal, it would be free to whomever chooses to grow it. As a former bar tender, I can say that pot is much safer then booze. Marijaina has never caused people to turn violent. Violent people will always be violent people. Alcohol brings that violence out. Pot doesn’t. I would encourage my children to embrace a plant given by god before turning to alcohol. I can enjoy a glass of wine and secretly dance to hip-hop with the rest of the world. However, I would much rather prefer a cup of “tea” and an hour listening to Louie Armstrong.
Some people on this board crack me up, especially when they preach about sin.
What the good Doctor did was not a sin. It was a breach of law. Jesus Christ broke several laws during his ministry, including Roman and Jewish laws. Is he a sinner? Should he have refrained from his actions? If so, would we have ever heard of him or the purpose of his actions if to not sin meant that we were to be mindless drones to the state?
Sin is sin whether it is a lie or it is murder. There are no 1st degree, 2nd degree sins etc. Those who lie are just as sinful as those who murder. God doesn’t make distinctions as to what is worse.
No where in the bible does it say breaking the law is a sin or that growing pot is a sin.
I have never tried pot, so I don’t advocate it’s use nor do I condone the breaking of the law by those who do produce or ingest it.
But I do think it is a waste of my taxpayer dollar to go get these “bad” people and then mark them as sinners when they have probably done more good for the community than someone sitting upon a perch looking down deciding who is a sinner and who isn’t.
The doctor will pay the price for knowingly violating the law. Again, let the justice system do it’s job and get off the high horse.
ddddd~ The beverage was named Coca-Cola because, originally, the stimulant mixed in the beverage was coca leaves from South America, which the drug cocaine is derived from.
Antigonewbie~ Amen!!!
I am no expert on drugs because I have never used any illegal drug EVER! What I do know is that growing, selling or smoking marijuana is ILLEGAL. Whether any of you like it or not, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW! You can advocate it all you want, but it’s still illegal. Implying that musicians smoking illegal drugs are somehow more enjoyable is ridiculous. If you have true talent, you do not need to cloud it with drugs! Is is a sin to smoke pot … who really knows or cares? It’s not up to any of us to judge the doctor or anyone else for smoking anything. If you are chosen for the jury in the local doctor’s trial, then your judgement will be based on LAW not sin. I do agree with antigonewbie that there are not specified degrees of sin. A sin is a sin and none of us are really better than the next. We all sin and will eventually pay for it. However, laws are clearly defined and if you deal in illegal drugs and get caught … you pay the price … arrest, fines and possibly jail. Personally, I hope for the best for the doctor and his family. He’s basically a very nice guy and his wife is darling. I’d much rather see them get away with growing some pot than see a guy get away with beating up a 3 year old. But, that is an opinion and NOT THE LAW.
“I’d much rather see them get away with growing some pot than see a guy get away with beating up a 3 year old.”
Funny isn’t that pretty much what John Jameson said in his first post…
YES! But then he also goes on to say: “Any taxpaying adult should be able to grow a few plants on their own property without worrying about going to jail.” And growing marijuana is AGAINST THE LAW.
May I remind everybody that it used to be AGAINST THE LAW for women to vote. Change is always necessary.
John Jameson I am not wrong regarding the fact that the young man that struck and almost killed the gentleman on the motorcycle was under the influence of marijuana. In fact like alcohol, marijuana does affect your reaction time and motor skills. The good doctor was also released a second time from good old LMH because he couldn’t stay away from the marijuana and tested positive for it. If your ok with him working on your family and children while under the influence I guess that is up to you. Does that mean he’s a bad guy? Absolutely Not! What he did was wrong however not only by law but ethically by a practicing physician… impaired is impaired.
Marijuana is a plant made by God however cocaine is made from a flower so that should be ok too? Where exactly do we draw the line about what is ok and what is not ok? You say marjuana is ok but a lot of people who are addicted to meth say meth is ok. Drugs are a vicious cycle and many times the people who start out “innocently” doing marijuana try other more powerful drugs looking for that euphoria, especially kids. I wouldn’t want or condone my children to do any drug whether it is from a plant or flower I want them to be happy and healthy because they love themselves and who they are not because they have to have a plant make them feel good. Most people who do cocaine, heroin, meth etc will in fact tell you they started by just trying marijuana. This cycle also leads to a lot of criminal activity. If you dig into a lot of the thefts, burglary’s, assaults etc numerous times it is over drug activity and can be linked back to drugs. They need money for their fix, someone stole from them, someone gave them bad stuff… You have done excellent research about the pro’s regarding marijuana however, there are also negatives that affect many people and our communittee.
Average Citizen Says- YES! Wonderfully said!!!
”Most people who do cocaine, heroin, meth etc will in fact tell you they started by just trying marijuana. ” Are you really that stupid? They stated using cocaine when they chose to use cocaine. The problem was their choice. I heard that O.J. Simpson ate a steak the night before he killed his wife. So by your reasoning, beef would cause murder. Marijuana has also caused many horrible life choices, like becoming president. Clinton and Bush both were fans. I am sure they are both shooting smack into their eyeball as we speak. Pull your head out of your as* and see the sunshine.
the laws of the country were made by the majority of people selected by the majority of people and they determined marijuana is illegal. end of story, get over it! move to Jamaica if you think it is such a great drug. Pull your head out of your posterior and see reality.
Marijuana is called the “gateway drug” for a reason.
ignorant people suck! — When and where did this vote occur? Please tell me. I need proof. Where here did I say “marijauna is a great drug”? Please do not put words into my mouth. You have proven on this site that you are in fact the ignorant one. I have seen you make up inflation statistics(Duffek page) and now you are creating votes that never occured. Do us all a favor and choke to death on you own ego.
Alexis — The term “gateway drug” is useless. Smoking pot is a personal choice. Using methamphetamines is also a personal choice. People who rationalize their drug use by blaming pot are weak. Blaming pot will not help them with their actual addictions. Marijauna does often lead to bigger thing, like the oval office or a tatsy bag of popcorn. Nice try though.
Average Citizen — Are you aware that marijauna will show up on a drug test(urine) 30+ days after it has been ingested? If the doctor smoked a joint on the weekend, I would have no problem having him treat myself or my family on Monday morning. Do you have actual proof of this failed drug test? All I have heard was loose, anonymous, rumors. If you want to go burning witches, please have proof first.
John Jameson you seem like someone who would know that MJ will show up on a drug test (urine) 30+ days after it has been ingested. By the way…if it’s showing up on a drug test 30+ days after it was ingested, then it’s still in the system and probably some way or another still having effects on the person. But I don’t portray myself to be a know it all like you do so I won’t argue that, just my opinion.
By the way…..to get back to the original topic, the child abuser was found guilty today and waiting for sentencing…
The part of the marijuana that causes the high does not stay in the system that long, however other parts of the marijuana is detectable in the body for over 30 days. If you want the technical names I can get them for you.
I could really care less what the technical names are but thank you. I’m not getting into technical stuff, just wanted to voice my opinion. Isn’t that what this blog is supposed to be anyway?
Yes marijuana is a plant but a drug is any article, other than food, intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of humans or other animals, so marijuana is not JUST a plant.
The people who grew or used in the past is irreleant.
The government outlawed it for a reason. Do you think that if it actually had worth that the government would not have outlawed it and instead found a way to tax the crap out of it???
A lot of this just sounds like typical pot-head mentality…”Pot is good. Pot is great.”
And yes you make a choice to do heroin or harder drugs but you also choose to do marijuana. The fact is that marijuana is illegal. If you choose to do it than don’t cry because you got caught, or you can’t hold a job because you can’t pass a drug test or they took you kids away. If you choose to break the law..deal with the ramifications.
you have all lost sight to what this blog is talking about, its not the weed that some of u may smoke but a growing problem in lot of our communities and its child abuse. this man has more than one family and the children in the other are receiving just as many problems. this man has affected these kids to be abusive and say things that no child has any right even knowing about. this matter needs serious attention and not only for him but the mothers of these kids. i have seen too close at hand when problems are not solved and put on the back burner. and child services r the ones who determine whether it is not child abuse or not or to keep those children in the homes of these people. we need to do more for them because brainwashing is child abuse and these kids r growing up way to fast in a society that is not going to accept that type of behavior.
I completely agree tinker. Child abuse is absolutely unacceptable and is a harsh and constant reality in our society. This son of a b*tch who did this needs to be put away for a very, very long time.
Anti-drug laws have their roots steeped in the fine American tradition of racism. It is also used to maintain an unofficial caste system in this society, again with racisit underpinnings.
It wasn’t until the 1920′s that the Federal Government decided to get in on the act and dictate what a person could or could not ingest into their system.
Personally, I don’t like drugs and I believe that they wisk away the vibrancy, creativity and intelligence of a person until they are soft in the head.
For instance, the Dr. being mentioned. Obviously bright and driven, but allowed to have his ambitions upsurpted by a mere plant for which the penalties of having such plant under posession was clearly illegal.
He gave up caring for people in exchange for the plant. The plant won and those who could have benefited from his care….lost.
Alot of people are throwing cause and effect in with drugs which really doesn’t make any sense. Is it horrible that a person smoking dope strucked and killed someone. You bet it is. But then to take that one incident and apply it as a whole to make it a “truth” is very misleading.
Women who leave their kids in a car allowing the kids to die from heat stroke is horrible tragedy that happens way too often. Perhaps we could pass laws forbidding women to have children to prevent kids from dying in cars. Or perhaps, make it illegal for women to drive vehicles or require them to drive with no windows in the vechile to prevent such tragedies.
Ridiculous of course and of course we would hear about the rights of woman to have children and to own cars..blah blah blah.
The point I am trying to make is that government has been so intrusive into the personal lives of its citizens since the 1920′s that there is no such thing as liberty or personal choice.
As noted on other entries on this sight, even the government is using your own thoughts to justify criminality.
Before you support the upsurping of what a person does or does not do with their body etc, keep in mind that if the government can do it to them, they can do it to you.
In the south, it was proposed to have a law allowing restaurant owners deny service to obese people. In New York, trans fats were outlawed.
Things that are bad for you..perhaps, but why give government that much power to dictate what is good or what is not good for a person. Do we do it for the greater good? Who defines the greater good and who does it exclude when seeking to impose the greater good?
Do we, as taxpayers, need to fund regulatory agencies to go into each restaurant to insure they are not cooking with trans fats?
MY GOD there are much more pressing issues at hand for this nation to deal with!
I often think that if drugs were made legal and legislated much like liquor is, how much could we save by sending our military down to columbia, re-allocate the police to go after brutal crimes, re-allocate the coast guard to check in-coming ships for terrorist activities, clear out space in our prisons for violent criminals, and get the fricken government out of our personal lives, not to mention the crap load of taxes that could be raised.
but yes..lets focus our small minds on a small plant(eye roll)
a well thought out response from the newbie…but let’s also focus on another part of our democracy-majority rules. Until the majority of the people that make the laws see a teenie, tiny, not-so-harmless plant as legal it is illegal. Anything else said about whether it is harmful or not is basically irrelevent. If Dr Moore is found guilty he should be punished as set forth by the laws of our nation. Not because a few think marijuana isn’t bad.
again u all have lost sight of what this blog is talking about. its not whether you, or a dr. r getting high in your off time, its about a child being abused at the hands of a monster. if u want to talk about drugs and whos right go to the other blog, if u have something to say that is about how this child is hurting then say it. these kids will be affected for a long time coming and all he’ll probably get is probation, especially the way the courts work in this town.
FYI ignorant people suck! – The majority of people would vote to legalize it!
why don’t we hold an online poll and see…
Isn’t this case resolved? Wasn’t he found guilty already?
Ignorant, you are full of sh*t. You have already been caught creating fictional votes in this thread. Blind, random polls polls have been conducted time and time again producing the same results.
Since 1973, 12 state legislatures — Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, Ohio and Oregon — have enacted versions of marijuana decriminalization. In each of these states, marijuana users no longer face jail time (nor in most cases, arrest or criminal records) for the possession or use of small amounts of marijuana. According to national polls, voters overwhelmingly support these policies. In Oregon, voters recently reaffirmed their state’s decriminalization law by a 2-1 margin in a statewide referendum.
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5052
Nice poll you’ve found there. The question is loaded with a reference to 9/11 and terrorist activities. What in the world do they have to do with marijuana use? The fact that it may be decriminalized in some areas does not mean that it is illegal. It has simply been lowered to a civil action or forfeiture and still carries a fine and is ILLEGAL!
try these more reputable, neutral polls instead of one vying for the legalization of marijuana. The first one is even from your prescious little legalization of marijuana website.
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5550
The following poll CNN/Time poll was conducted October 23-24, 2002 by Harris Interactive. The survey was conducted by telephone among adult Americans age 18 or older. It has a margin of error of plus/minus 3.1%.
Do you favor or oppose the legalization of marijuana?
Oct 23-24, 2002 Apr 15-17, 1986 Mar 1-3, 1983
Favor 34% 18% 24%
Oppose 59% 78% 73%
Not sure 7% 4% 4%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/3937/Americans-Oppose-General-Legalization-Marijuana.aspx
a. For or against the legalization of marijuana
99 Mar 19-21
TOTAL 29% 69% 2%
AGE
18-29 44 54 2
30-49 30 68 2
50-64 21 78 1
65+ 11 85 4
I’ve been caught creating fictional votes-I don’t think so. As you can see both the poll you were talking about and the two I’ve found do not support the legalization of marijuana. Your poll talks about not jailing people, this is different from making it legal. The two polls from Gallup and CNN show the exact opposite of your claims. Educate yourself on what you are reading before you come out and call me ignorant! You can’t even make a good argument out of something that is right in front of your face and you distort the facts.
I did not make up inflation rates, I even posted the link to a page that shows the inflation rates. Feel free to look them up.
A vote that never occured? How do you think laws are made? Someone just writes them in a book and they become a law? A vote is made by the legislature! If the vote is vetoed by the governor, another vote is made with a larger percentage needed to pass it into law.
I’m full of sh*t? Quit smoking dope while you are posting and get your facts together in the real world. You, are truly ignorant and the exact type of person I am referring to by my sign-in.
Ignorant, I quote you, “the laws of the country were made by the majority of people selected by the majority of people and they determined marijuana is illegal”. When was this historic vote made? I need evidence . Your inflation stats were horsesh*t. I know how much my food and gas prices have risen compared to my wages and 1% doesn’t come close to it. I found a very credible site for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.geocities.com/man.electric/index.html?1212279387125
so, if there was no vote to make marijuana illegal how is it a law? The rest of the world can figure this out, what is your problem? I really don’t feel like going into the history of our state to find out the exact date marijuana was made illegal. I find it sad that you are not educated enough to actually think about what you are saying. Instead, you bash me because you don’t have anything factual to add to your simple-minded rhetoric. I called your hand on the majority of people not wanting to legalize marijuana and you come back with a question that you would know the answer to if you paid any attention to American History, or Civics or whatever they call it nowadays, in school. Do some research and don’t pick one line out of a 10 page article and make it the golden rule. Maybe you should try reading something besides “High Times” and “The Onion.” I don’t make the stats up, but they are still there whether you agree with them or not.
The more you post, the dumber you are making yourself look. I don’t know what world you live in, but it is not the same one the rest of us live in.
If anyone actually watched the History Channel this evening at 10 pm you would have learned why marijuana is illegal. It will be on again Thursday at 5 pm. Educate yourself Ignorant!!!!
I see the cyberbullying has returned. SSDD
What a waste of good blogspace.