Rumor has it that recent random drug testing at Plaspack has possibly left some job openings. Supposedly, about 25 people got fired due to “dirty” drug tests. I have not seen any ads yet for jobs there, but, keep your eye out.
If you are interested in applying there, I would say it might be smart to do it now.
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They can’t fire someone for their first dirty test, they have to provide counseling first (unfortunately). If they get nailed a second time after they complete their rehab, they can get fired then.
I’m sure it is just more typical Antigo rumors.
Why is it that everything posted here has to be a rumor to you??
Do you work at Plaspack? Are you familiar with their drug policy???
There simply isn’t enough information here for anything to be decided here either way, so quit labeling everything you read as gossip.
i got first hand info and there were about 20 people give or take a few numbers that were let go. i used to work there and they can fire u if u have a dirty test. not all policies are the same. and that will be just one reason to fire u, they will also come up with more. this is also their slow time, so they might not b hiring for awhile. but this way they also dont have to pay unemployment to those who will try to seek it. ignorant u need to get a life, not everything is a rumor, and it just might be true that u r truly ignorant and think that this town revolves around u. u might even b the mayor.
I enjoy my life, don’t envy me because I’m not a pessimistic freak like everyone else here. And no, I’m not the mayor. I have way more hair than he does.
I might be wrong, but 20 people testing positive for drugs in one small factory would be a major news story in this town. I’m sure Plaspak wouldn’t want it getting out. How many people does Plaspak have working for them? 100, 125? That is a major portion of their employee base. If it was a random test, only a small portion would be tested. Maybe 10 or so would be my guess. Even if they tested half their employees, and I’m just guessing at their actual numbers, but if they tested 50 then half of them would have tested positve for drugs. Does this even seem logical to you two? Drug tests are fairly expensive, to test 50 would be a pretty fair expense to the company. 20-25 people failing would be possible but not very likely. That is why I believe it is a rumor.
I’m waiting from an email frfom my family about the drug testing. It may be their insurance company’s policy that they have to give them counseling before terminating their employment.
does everything posted have to be a rumor to me…hmmm….let us examine the first few words of the blog:
“Rumor has it”
You’re right, probably not a rumor. It would be silly to start out a rumor by actually calling it a rumor to begin with.
Just because the person posting the original comment can not verify the information doe not make it automatically untrue. Rather than call it a rumor, maybe they should have said “I do not know if this is true or not, but I heard….”, that way you couldn’t dismiss it as rumor, since it no longer fits the definition of one.
Ignorant, you like to pick apart other post for making assumptions and assuming facts, but that is exactly what you did. You have no idea how many people work at Plaspack, how their drug testing works or what their policies on drug testing are. Nor do you know exactly how many people where let go and on what reasons. Nor do you know that if they were let go for dirty tests, if it was on the their 1st violation or their 3rd.
How dare you make statements of fact regarding the company that you obviously have no first, second or even third hard information on. Just because you think that’s how it should be does not mean that’s how it is or that it is how it will ever be.
Most people try to have some sort of knowledge of what they are talking about, it’s obvious by your posts here that you don’t have a clue.
Alright, here’s the skinny on drug testing. Depending on policy you can fire for a first offense dirty test. However, due to all the liberal BS and the poor, poor, druggies and alcoholics there have been many lawsuits won against this process. There is a much lower chance of losing a lawsuit if you first offer counseling and then fire upon a second offense. However, those that need their CDL or operate forklifts are subject to immediate termination due to the nature of the jobs. Therefore I feel it is unwise to fire someone for a first offense of a dirty drug test.
At least I am willing to enter my educated thoughts instead of basing my comments on rumors and public perception. If you know of other information that would help educate me about the numbers that work at Plaspac, the numbers that were tested and the actual number terminated and for what reason feel free to educate me. I am more than interested in finding out the TRUTH. When I am making assumptions I predicate my statement with that. I don’t try and pass it off as fact. I do the research that is available and make an educated and logical comment. I am more than willing to recant and correct information that I may be wrong about. I would certainly never post anything that is based on rumor. I heard some information about the Humane Society that all will find very interesting, however I have not had any confirmation on it so I will not post it. For now, it is a good rumor. I’ll have to wait until the next meeting to find out if it is true. I would never make a obsurd and untrue comment such as the one about the police marking headlights in a parking lot.
Who are you to dispute me? Do you work at Plaspac, due you know the circumstances or how many people work their? As I mentioned, I told you what I was basing my thoughts on. I could be wrong, but you probably have no basis for disputing my thoughts…do you?
If it is true, it is probably another reason why we can’t get any good industry here. A large portion of the workforce tests dirty!
I can dispute anything openly referred to as a “guess” and anything you say “I’m sure” about when you later try to pass it off as nothing more than an educated guess.
I know that dismissal in regards to drug testing is based on company policy, not law(here in Antigo anyway..not everywhere).
I AM familiar with a VERY similar incident at Plaspack about two years ago. And your first posts say nothing about thoughts or logic, simply statements that once again this is nothing but “rumors” and why you think so. Apparently, you do not bother to go back and re-read what you or anyone else has posted or you wouldn’t be so quick to contradict youself.
And exactly how are your “educated thoughts” different from rumors or public perception? They are based on your ideas, not truth or fact, how is that better????
I just thought you, being so highly educated, would save your comments till you did “the research” so you can save yourself the embarassment of having to go back and correct yourself, like you had to do here.
Furthermore, your comment about the police has nothing to do with this issue or anyone here. You obviously were trying to get in a personal jab about something posted elsewhere, but once again you were mistaken and apparently didn’t read what the post was or who it was by.
Lastly, I do not know the exact numbers involved here, nor did I claim to.
So, YES, I do have a basis for disputing you.
Yeah, and you’re right this time Alexis. I’ll eat my crow, which tastes a lot like squirrel, as I opened my big mouth a little early on this one. I guess I couldn’t fathom the thought that the drug problem was this bad and I based my “educated” text on a short conversation I had over the summer. I have since clarified it and this is what I have found out. This is from my family’s company of 450 employees (which I am not involved in) and their drug policy.
As mentioned, terminating someone on the first offense can open the company up to litigation for discrimination. Amazingly, 40% of applicants that know they are going to be drug tested before they start working still fail the test. That mean they KNOW when they are going to be tested and still FAIL. Their random drug testing is done with a pool from a few other larger companies in their area. About 100 people are tested at a time and they can all be from one company or any combination thereof. The company has had as many as 100% failures for their testing.
I’m not always wrong, just this time. kma
It goes to show some major problems. First, how do these people that are not working afford to buy drugs? Stealing, child support (instead of using it for their children), what else? It gives light why it is so important for the police to continue strong enforcement of the drug laws.
Second, if a large portion of the workforce is intoxicated while they are working, can they possibly put out a good product?
just to let everyone know that most of the people that were so called fired actually choose to be fired. the policy stated that they had a certain amount of time to take a test when told if they did not they would be terminated. so with that most of them choose not to test. those who did and failed were fired.
just to stop the bickering. Here is the scoop. I work at plaspack, and we had about four people refuse to take the test. There was about 8 that failed. their policy clearly states that there is a zero tolerance for drugs and alchol. But has since changed. Now there is a class and a sceond chance for those who fail.
My main concern is they keep taking incentives form the workers. they claim they are loosing their ass. So they take from us atleast every six months. Since november 07 they have taken about $350 form my checks. I recomend no one gitting s job there. That be the scoop from the inside.
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I heard that waste management in antigo{WM) is closing .if this is true who would pick up the garbage?
live it love it rock it – a new post has been created regarding waste management – you can find it here: http://antigobuzz.com/blogs/2008/08/13/antigo-waste-management-closing/
Thank You.