Another piece of the legacy of the Tommy Thompson “government
by suspension of ratiocination” era bobbed up to the surface,
according to news reports. A re-interpretation of a state
constitutional amendment pasted-in during the Thompson years
asserts that it’s now okay to carry a handgun in the open “as
long as you’re not doing anything wrong.”
A spokesman from Nuts Running Amuck (NRA, but no relation to
the other NRA, of course) explained to me, off the record, that
anyone packing heat would, of course, unbuckle and drop his
gun-belt before “doing anything wrong”, because that would be
the right and legal thing to do. And, of course, anyone asserting
his alleged Second Amendment rights always has legal behavior
first and foremost in mind, of course.
When I suggested that everyone packing pistols would make
communities look like Dodge City of the Wild West, my NRA
spokesman said, “Of course. That’s the point. If everyone is
armed, no one is harmed. Think about it. If the passengers on
those 9-11 airliners had been armed, they would have taken
out those hijackers who only had box-cutters anyway.”
“But,” I butted, “wouldn’t it be dangerous to have all those firearms
around, loose, where kids could get their hands on them?”
“Dangerous? Hell, no! You’re not thinking, man! Don’t you read the
papers? Don’t you know all those cases recently, where some
nut father kills his wife and kids, the whole family? There have
been, like 60 people killed by nuts with guns so far this year. I’m
telling you, if those kids had been properly armed with handguns,
they could have off’ed their old man as soon as he started acting
bonkers, and all those families would be alive today!”
Well, he’s got a point. I guess I just never thought about it that
way.
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@Jerry. As soon as I get done laughing and can pull myself back into my chair I will try to make sense of your increasingly incoherent babble used to cover your tracks.
Just when you think it can’t get any ore senseless, Jerry turns his computer back on lol.
Well said Big Trucker and Morons all! Don’t expect your facts to sink in for Jerry though because he has the liberal ability to not see them. They actually do not appear in the text on his screen
@ Admin. The link to the School Referendum poll is bad and does not go anywhere. Please fix
@morons all – Your fantasy suppositions on what might have happened are irrelevant. You can make up your own mind, but you cannot make up your own facts.
@big trucker – You still haven’t told me how carrying a concealed weapon is supposed to help you when someone has pulled a gun on you. Isn’t that part of your training?
@Really – it should be fixed now, Thx – http://antigobuzz.com/blogs/2011/08/13/new-antigo-grade-school-referendum-poll/
Jerry, Just for argument, because thats all your tolling backside is after, I really can’t say until it would happen, god forbid. It’s no different than helping at a car accident… you may jump right in up to your elbows, or run with your tail between your legs. I suspect which one of the two you would do, because those of us carrying surely bother you. In fact, it seemingly scares you. Now, like it or not, the law was passed by a majority… oh that’s right, you liberals can’ fathom that word…. It means more voted for it than not; of the people that were elected by a majority… oops, there’s that pesky word again. Face it, you were given more examples than I can shake a stick at and it just doesn’tseem to sink in. Those examples were actual new reports from reputable sources, unlike the one example you sited from that liberal online site you found.
To try to ask what would happen if someone had a gun on you would like ask what you would do if you were hit in the head by a golf ball sized piece of hail… Il dont know, but I would rather have a helmet on as to not have one.
Well said Big Trucker. I am now waiting for the concealed carry recall to start lol.
I guess if we’d all quit replying to the liberal troll, he’d either leave or change his name again. It sure seems people are onto him, in any case!
I wrote this love letter for you Jerry on a different board, but unfortunately I think you missed it. My writing is so eloquent though that I figured it had to be shared on this page for the whole world to see. It is in response to how brilliant and well known you seem to think you are (and discusses your using of two different handles on this blog to make people think that someone agress with your terrible ideas).
Luckily for me Jerry I am not a resident of Langlade County, so I am not privy to your fame. If you were big in Pepin or Taylor Counties, then that’d be saying something!! (that was sarcasm by the way…again….just wanted to make sure you could follow me). As for the Albus thing…you rode Gary Zarda relentlously with your big words and liberal double speak under the Albus moniker, discussing how not revealing your true identity should have no saying towards the veracity of your statements. But then when I called Albus out, Jerry came into play, as if to fool the people on this board that another person agreed with Albus…can’t Albus defend himself? Lame, very lame, especially for someone that thinks so highly of themself!!
And I must have really struck a cord when I called Albus Al Gore…it got you all hot and bothered. Does your alter-ego have a secret crush on him?
You’ve met your match Mr. Muelver. Soon you’ll be waking up in the middle of the night screaming my name out of fear of the whooping you’ll be receiving every day on these boards.
I love it morons all!
Jerry I think morons all just exercised his pimp hand on you. SMACK!
Still waiting for the wild west shoot outs I have been hearing would take place. Where are they all, did I get a permit for nothing?
Morons all said, “You’ve met your match Mr. Muelver. Soon you’ll be waking up in the middle of the night screaming my name out of fear of the whooping you’ll be receiving every day on these boards.”
Right. Uh-huh. Yup.
@Really – The wild west shoot outs you’ve been hearing about are from the voices in your head, I’m afraid. They are just fevered adolescent dreams. No one here has predicted anything of the kind. You apparently got your permit for “self protection”, so you could terrorize a mugger by saying, “Put that gun down! I’ve got a concealed carry permit, and I might just be carrying right now!” The mugger will undoubtedly be petrified with fear, drop his gun and run off as fast as he can.
Jerry you may want to go and read some of your previous liberal rants about the dangerous situation that will be created by the concealed carry law in Wisconsin. I think your spouting so much BS each day you can’t remember half the nonsense that seeps out of your cake hole.
@Really – “Wild west shoot out”? I said that? Please show us the post, Honorable Master.
Your very good at this sort of thing Jerry. Though you will not find the exact quote “Wild west shoot out” You will find your implications of it. When you get there Jerry come back and reread what I wrote and notice no quotation marks in my statement. Any other questions feel free to ask and I will take some more time to hold your hand as I walk you back through it. Really it’s not a problem. Kinda like charity and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
Jerry was more worried about someone mistakingly shooting him thinking he was cranking his wife because he was a bald headed older man. I do kind of remember him whinig about how unsafe things were going to be.. or at least implying that. Typical liberal rants.
@Big Trucker – “Typical liberal rants”? You would use “liberal” in a pejorative sense? Consider this:
“What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I’ll tell what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil rights Act, the Voting Rights act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals Passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those thngs, every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, “‘Liberal,” as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.” — Lawrence O’Donnell Jr.
@Really – So, you put your own interpretation on my words, extend the point ad absurdum, then criticize the absurdity you yourself created, and claim victory in the argument? Are you contending with Morons All for the “Master” title? You, like he, have much work to do, Grasshopper. You should spend some of your TV time at http://attitudeadjustment.tripod.com/Books/Logic.htm to learn what to avoid and how to strengthen your reasoning muscles.
Big Trucker I don’t know when I have been entertained as much in my life as reading the go round the bush posts that Jerry puts up.
You and I should start a pool taking odds on the types of words Jerry will use in his next post as he attempts to distract the readers from his foolish previous posting.
And if we win anything from this pool Big Trucker, we could go in together and buy our own pejorative! Think of the things we could do with it? If you use it to it’s full potential we may get to the point of owning our own absurdum. Not sure that’s even a word but it is humorous none the less right? Think of the possibilities for a couple of guys like us with both a pejorative and a absurdum! The world would be our oyster. And the chicks would just be lining up around the block.
Jerry have you ever heard of little man syndrome? You have it but don’t realize big words don’t make a bigger man.
ad adsurdum is the word for the day in case anyone missed that. Stop playing with your pejoratives for a minute and give ad adsurdum some equal time. hahahahahahahaha. Will this ever get old!
So, Really, Big Trucker, and Morons All, you’re coalescing into the Three Amigos! How joyful for our enlightened community! Unfortunately, you have caused me to break a promise. I promised my Mom, when I ventured out into the world on my own, that I would never engage an unarmed man in a battle of wits. And now, I’ve had three at once! Sorry, Mom. I’ll renew my promise, ignore the Three Amigos, and thereby give them the ignor-ance they so persistently crave and feed upon.
Big Trucker and Morons All, Why didn’t you guys warn me about this coalescing thing? Does that make us anything like the super friends or the power rangers? What one do I get to be? Seriously I do find it odd that Jerry is so lost that he can’t see he is in his/her own corner on this and many other issue’s. The really word awaits you Jerry. All you have to do is step into it. Just be careful that your in possession of your concealed carry permit if you decide to come to this battle if the wits armed.
LOL! We surely don’t need to sit around the Hall of Justice to figure out that Jerry’s kind of looking at these issues all humpback and crooked! Really, he won’t bite until he pulls his head out of the sand(his arse).
Super Friends Activate!
Indeed! Protect us all, like the dude who shot the would-be robbers in Aldi’s in Milwaukee! Shotgun wasn’t loaded, but hey, you never know, right? http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/138685849.html
So, how many Antigo robberies and muggings and hold-ups have you witnessed that you could have stopped if only you had concealed carry at that time? C’mon down, Three Amigos! Tell us your stories of frustrated good intentions, your “if only” testimonies. I, for one, am tired of getting mugged and held-up in Antigo!
Complete this sentence in 2000 words or less:
Concealed carry benefits the citizens of Wisconsin because….
Just list the presumed benefits so we can be convinced to run out and get a permit and buy a gun. The only benefit I can think of is increasing sales for gun manufacturers, and that’s not really compelling enough.
To start with Jerry once again you can not come up with anything that makes an once of sense. The guy that shot the robbers and the shotgun was not even loaded? Who in the heck would ask someone that is committing a crime if there gun is loaded or not? No one in their right mind is going to take the time to find out. If you pick up any weapon and point it at someone then you had better be ready to suffer the consequences of your actions. Maybe the dumb ass should have showed the people in the store that he had an empty shotgun so they would have known not to shoot him when he tried to rob the store, Moron. Your statement is like saying I shot a guy that lunged at me with a knife but after I shot him he said why did you shoot me? I was not going to lung all the way.
Come on Jerry I know you know better. Don’t keep playing dumb with me, it is just not fair because you win every time!
“Complete this sentence in 2000 words or less:
Concealed carry benefits the citizens of Wisconsin because….” you can defend yourself and your loved ones against those that would do you harm, even if they are dumb enough to try to do it with a unloaded shotgun.
@Really…”…you can defend yourself and your loved ones against those that would do you harm,…”
Let’s go with that. How do you determine (measure, analyze) whether your defending yourself and your loved ones has a benefit to the citizens of Wisconsin? For instance, for “protect yourself and your loved ones”, does everyone in the state have to be carrying a concealed weapon? Or is there there some tip-over point where concealed carry has a beneficial effect? And, what is that effect supposed to be?
jerry, i got a brother in law just like you,…i, me, mine,..bigger, better, i’m the man, been there, done that,…blah, blah, blah. Can you spell N I N C O M P O O P in 2000 words or less. get a bjob and do something good with yourself. good lord.
Complete this sentence in 2000 words or less:
Concealed carry benefits the citizens of Wisconsin because……now the criminals won’t be the only ones packiing heat?!
@tradercharlie…Jerry’s a liberal, so your rip will go on deaf ears. He doesn’t know what the word “job” means.
Jerry the Constitution gives each one of us the right to defend ourselves. It does not say that it must benefit everyone in the state or country for that matter. Guess what Jerry? It does not benefit the criminals that are already carrying weapons to use against others while committing a crime. In general though Jerry the fact that crime rates go down when concealed carry is enacted speaks for itself even if you are unable to hear the obvious.
Is there some tip-over point? What a ridiculous question! Just when you think it can not become anymore idiotic?
Just giving concealed-carry supporters a chance to show the basis for their stance…. The reduced-crime statistics are conflicting, as the Wikipedia article on concealed carry concludes, “This empirical back-and-forth may well indicate that the data is too incomplete, ambiguous, and crude to establish the positive or negative effects of conceal-carry on crime.[”
One item caught my attention, though – “Using publicly available media reports, the Violence Policy Center claims that from May 2007 through the end of 2009, concealed carry permit holders in the U.S. have killed at least 117 individuals, including 9 law enforcement officers (excluding cases where individuals were acquitted, but including pending cases). ” So, training may be an issue.
Jerry there will always be accidents. There are also situations where law enforcement has mistakenly killed innocent civilians and keep in mind they train on a regular basis. The situation at the Aldis also has a twist in the fact that they had signs posted outside the store that say no weapons allowed. Showing the support for this that many in law enforcement have there will be no charges against the man for carrying in the store because of what happened. Cars are dangerous, stairs are dangerous etc etc.
Some words to the wise. Shooting Advice from various Concealed Carry Instructors.
If you own a gun, you will appreciate this. If not, you might consider getting one and
learning how to use it:
A. Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.
B. Its always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
C. Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.
D. Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.
E. Never say “I’ve got a gun.” If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.
F. The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes, the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
G. The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win – cheat if necessary.
H. Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets . . . You may get killed with your own gun, but he’ll have to
beat you to death with it, cause it’ll be empty.
I. If you’re in a gun fight:
1. If you’re not shooting, you should be loading.
2. If you’re not loading, you should be movin’,
3. If you’re not movin’, you’re dead. (But at least you gave it that “old college try”.)
J. In a life and death situation, do something . . . It may be wrong, but do something!
K. If you carry a gun, people call you paranoid. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid about?
L. You can say ‘stop’ or ‘alto’ or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone’s head is pretty much
a universal language.
M. You cannot save the planet, but you may be able to save yourself and your family.
N. Pay attention in training class, so you’ll know how to unload your weapon. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/13/pastors-daughter-accidentally-shot-in-head-at-florida-church/
Very sad thing. I wonder how many times this type of accident happens by comparison to reckless drivers, airline pilots, and the worst of all statistically, Drs? Good thing gun owners are much safer than the rest
Jerry is a woman after all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ptFVq22PY&feature=related
One thing I noticed that has not been brought up on here yet is repeat offenders. It should still be pretty fresh in the Antigo communities mind the situation with all the bars getting broken into. Just a hypathetical, but what if someone would have still been there cleaning when the burglers broke in? If they were armed do you think they would have hesitated to harmed that person cleaning. I think they would because obviously they were desperate enough to break into all those bars. But now what if that first or second bar had someone cleaning in them and that person was armed? The robbers would have gotten their a$$e$shot up.
Sounds like a problem solved to me. The others bars wouldn’t have been broken into, the criminals would be in the ground and not in jail wasting our tax dollars on them. Kills two birds with one stone, get crime off the street and saves the economy.
Accidents are bound to happen in any case, but at least now it won’t always be the victim that has to pay for criminals actions. I personally have a lot of training behind me, so as far as someone pulling a gun on me first, I would do whatever I could to take them out even if it means I have to take a couple rounds first. If it means protecting my family, I would gladly take a hit as long as it means they will survive. That’s why when you are confronted by an armed individual you do whatever necessary to extinguish the threat as quickly as possible. If that means putting a hollow point between their eyes, so be it, it will be the quickest lesson they will ever learn.
It’s up to individuals to get the training necessary and to further it beyond what is mandatory. Civilians just like cops or soldiers can choose to not pay attention to their training, but it will just bite them in the butt later. But those accidents they make would classify them as criminals after the act is committed, which in turn would weed out the bad apples wihtin the system, which is another win in my book.
ID the threat, use the force necessary to take care of the threat. (If that means just drawing on them, great.) But once the threat is ID’d, do not hesitate to take action. Hesitation will only get you or someone close killed. No one can argue that they would have that SOB dead on their floor at 3Am after breaking in, rather than it being their own kids or spouse.
Choosing to be an armed citizen puts you in a position to protect yourself and those around you. So if not just for you, do it for others. Get educated, get armed
@Stand United – You said, “ID the threat, use the force necessary to take care of the threat.” Of course training should focus on the assessment of threat. That’s an essential part of police training as well as the firing range sessions we got in US Army Basic Training. But since the assessment relies on the judgment of the assessor, this is both the main strength and the major weakness of the “arm the citizens” movement. From time to time, I’ve been known to wear a hoodie….
Jerry everything in life relies on the judgment of someone, what kind of a statement is that? The streets are full of former soldiers that in many cases have more extensive training in assessing a threat than the average police officer. Do we remove those police officers from providing our protection because they have to assess and make a judgement call? We live in an armed nation and just because some chose to carry legally how do we become more in danger? More responsible legal permit holders with guns vs illegal criminals carrying guns than we had before. Seems like a common sense win to me.
I am guessing from the hoodie remark you are squirming in your chair as you hope there is proof that George Zimmerman is found guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin? And the obvious to me is that you would like that only to have some kind of fuel for your cause. The fact is Trayvon is a High School football ball player who could have outrun George if George was really harassing him. That would mean he would have been shot at distance in the back. I am also quite sure that George Zimmerman would not have had cuts to his head and a bloody nose from a guy that he had just killed in cold blood. And I know this one is hard for you Jerry but there is a witness that saw Trayvon on top of George beating the crap out of him. I doubt he was shot for wearing a hoodie either. What really bothers me is when it is white on black it gets many miles. Do any of you know about the white couple that was kidnapped, rapped brutally and the man had his genitals cut off and stuffed in his mouth before they were killed and burned by their two black assailants? That didn’t to many miles now did it.
You leap to conclusions too easily. Turns out, Zimmerman showed up unmarked, no blood, no broken nose, no bruises, no marks at all, at the police station direct from the scene of the crime. Wait until all the facts are in, instead of the fabricated stories. You believe what you want to believe. I believe what the evidence shows. That means I’ll wait for more evidence before drawing a conclusion.
The only people leaping to conclusions are the race baiters (Obama, Sharpton, Black Panthers, Jackson, etc). Or how about the genius Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman’s address…and it was wrong!! How can you believe what the evidence shows, are you a cop in Sanford?? Then you don’t know what the evidence is, nor does the kneejerk reaction left.
I was at the gun show at the fairgrounds this evening. The parking lot was packed as always with hundreds of people in attendance. Twice a year the gun show comes to Antigo and draws thousands of gun collectors, hunters and sportsman who spend tens of thousands of dollars. It never ceases to amaze me the crowd that shows up for this event. Jerry, you must be the only guy in town that doesn’t go. C’mon, I’ll pay your $5 admission fee and sign you up with the NRA.
Jerry you must be picking cherries early again this year. There are pictures of the guy with bruises and cuts on his face. He didn’t show up anywhere, the police came to them as they tend to do in the event of something like this taking place. Did you know that Mr Zimmerman volunteers and helps teach inner city kids, of all races? Or did that slip right by your list of important information also?
@Really – Me, cherry-picking? Reread this, “Wait until all the facts are in, instead of the fabricated stories. You believe what you want to believe. I believe what the evidence shows. That means I’ll wait for more evidence before drawing a conclusion.” I was just commenting on the latest reported evidence, not making any accusations or convictions. Looks like you lept to another too-early conclusion.
@Ben – Thanks for the offer, but I think I’ll pass. I would be much more interested in seeing a bow-and-arrow show, with demonstrations and competitions. I would even like to see a revival of the sling (not sling-shot, but the whirl-around-your-head throwing kind), and spear-throwing. I’m not big on gunpowder, or even internal combustion, preferring sailboats over speedboats, bicycles over motorcycles, etc. Muscle-power is far more civilized, it seems to me. It puts you more in contact with the consequences of your effort, and gives you more personal ownership of what you’re doing.
Plenty of facts out already on that case as far as I can tell. What’s the question?
Concealed Carry is good for Wisconsin because…
Open Carry is only legal when you don’t do it. Those of us who have been hassled would understand this quite well.
A police officer has no constitutional obligation to protect you from a crime in progress. Basically, an officer can just stand by, watch, and then apprehend the perpetraitor after he kills you.
I know, I know, but nothing ever happens in Langlade County. That’s what they keep telling me anyway. If that’s 100% true and infallible as so many like to believe. Why do the taxpayers of Langlade County pay to equip officers with weapons and body armor? If nothing happens anyway… isn’t it just a waste of money anyway? Why have a police station even?