Another piece of the legacy of the Tommy Thompson “government
by suspension of ratiocination” era bobbed up to the surface,
according to news reports. A re-interpretation of a state
constitutional amendment pasted-in during the Thompson years
asserts that it’s now okay to carry a handgun in the open “as
long as you’re not doing anything wrong.”
A spokesman from Nuts Running Amuck (NRA, but no relation to
the other NRA, of course) explained to me, off the record, that
anyone packing heat would, of course, unbuckle and drop his
gun-belt before “doing anything wrong”, because that would be
the right and legal thing to do. And, of course, anyone asserting
his alleged Second Amendment rights always has legal behavior
first and foremost in mind, of course.
When I suggested that everyone packing pistols would make
communities look like Dodge City of the Wild West, my NRA
spokesman said, “Of course. That’s the point. If everyone is
armed, no one is harmed. Think about it. If the passengers on
those 9-11 airliners had been armed, they would have taken
out those hijackers who only had box-cutters anyway.”
“But,” I butted, “wouldn’t it be dangerous to have all those firearms
around, loose, where kids could get their hands on them?”
“Dangerous? Hell, no! You’re not thinking, man! Don’t you read the
papers? Don’t you know all those cases recently, where some
nut father kills his wife and kids, the whole family? There have
been, like 60 people killed by nuts with guns so far this year. I’m
telling you, if those kids had been properly armed with handguns,
they could have off’ed their old man as soon as he started acting
bonkers, and all those families would be alive today!”
Well, he’s got a point. I guess I just never thought about it that
way.
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I pack my own heat. I put an Alka Seltzer in my mouth start drowling, and tell them I have the Swine Flu.
Oh never mind.. I guess the Swine Flu was nothing more than a scam to let our President Geroge W. Obama give another $500 billion Pfizer. Times are tough for the pharmacuitical companies.
Jerry, You are such a jack*ss
This is the most retarded nonsense I have ever read. You better hide the car keys too because your kids might use the car to kill someone. We better take all the weapons away from all of our young military troops serving because they must have something devious in mind when they have access to them.
When you listen to the nonsense of the anit gunners and do not use your own common sense you show your lack of intelligence and make yourself look like an idiot. 48 states have concealed carry and many open carry rights as well. Where are all the wild west stories from them over the years? Yet there are many things that happen over and over again that involve criminals and guess what, they are not going to stop and hand over their weapons because you are afraid. Many LEGAL concealed carry stories do exist where people have been saved or saved themselves or their family’s because they had a way to protect themselves and others from the CRIMINAL that had a gun. If you ever find yourself in this situation make sure to tell everyone around you with a permit that you do not want to be saved because you do not condone the LEGAL carry and use of a weapon for self defense.
If you don’t like people carrying guns move to china…
If you want carry a gun, move to Somalia.
That’s the thing Jerry, I don’t have to move because we live in a FREE country and if you do not like the things that this nation is founded on you can FREELY leave and move to one that has more restrictions. I am sure England would be happy to have you. We have a right to carry legally and im just guessing here but I don’t think there is much legal going on in Somolia?
Let me know when you will be moving cause myself and I bet a few others would be happy to help load the truck.
Jerry, I understand your right not to bear arms, but you should understand my right TO bear arms. Yes, I carry a gun. Rest assured, that if I see a criminal committing a gun crime against you, I will, with my gun, interfere on your behalf.
That’s good to know, Mike. Let’s hope I don’t mistake you for an accomplice and rip your head off with a spinning heel kick. Meanwhile, if you see some non-criminal using his favorite handgun for a little domestic violence, be sure to explain to him that such misbehavior is a no-no. Hey, how about those cops in Texas shooting and killing an eighth-grader who was packing a pellet gun?
Jerry: After you ban guns then you can work on banning knives, bats, cars, silverware, bows, hell we could just put everyone in their own protective bubble and everyone could just text one another thus preventing any negative interactions. Before ccw anyone of proper age could already openly carry a firearm on them and it wasn’t the wild west. I usually give some latitude on a comment but the domestic violence comment is reaching sir. Each monday I read about at least 5 to 6 pistol whippings of spouses (sarcasm smh). I support your right to walk around without a weapon. But frankly could give a damn what someone thinks if I am carrying one.
As for the 8th grader: Don’t point a gun (even a pellet gun) at the cops and you won’t end up with a large hole where your chest used to be…
Jerry you never cease to amaze me because on some issues you apply some much intelligence and then on others I wonder where it all went? 48 states Jerry before us have concealed carry and each time the same canned arguments pop up about the wild west bla bla bla. And the nothing is said after the wild west fails to appear. I man or woman that is going to commit a domestic violence act against another does not really need a permit to do so. The permit is a mute point in that ridiculous example. Now the many stories that exist of permit carrying gun owners saving themselves or others say a different thing. I am guessing that someone that is being subjected to violence at the hands of another is quite happy when they are saved by someone that has the legal ability to do so. Of course we could always just raise taxes in the liberal fashion and hire a police officer for each citizen and then we wouldn’t have to have this conversation right?
BTW, what are the statistics on the number of criminal acts interrupted and terminated by concealed carry people? Maybe we can just fire all the cops and let you vigilantes maintain law and order.
Jerry: After reading the cover-up thread sounds like a great idea! Also considering most police show up after the fact that a crime has taken place I would like to see stats on how many crimes the police actually interrupt. Like the old saying goes when seconds count police are only minutes away! Have a good evening Jerry regardless of our differences!
You should register those feet of yours as a lethal weapon, Jerry. How am I supposed to walk down the street when you are carrying those lethal feet capable of a heel spin that could take my head off. What if you mistake me for someone you think is cranking your wife and just haul off and kick me… I’m scared… Next time you see some kid kicking some other kid, I hope you tell them it’s a no no…
Still looking for facts here, not just made-up suppositions. How many crimes do concealed carriers actually prevent?
@ Jerry. Why don’t you google it??
@Meezer, I Googled the issue long, long ago. Related web info is filled with absurd claims and hysteria, but very little actual fact. The deal is, one who makes extraordinary claims must provide extraordinary evidence. The concealed carry advocates are the ones crowing about all the crime that concealed carry prevents. So, let’s see their evidence. If they provide incontrovertible proof, the job is done. If, however, their evidence is dubious, questionable, or obviously fabricated like much of the pro-gun stuff on the web, their contention (and their credibility) is shot down. Let’s see it guys! You must have reams of handouts from the NRA and legitimate research projects that you are just dying to share!
Extraordinary claims??? Nobody is claiming anything extraordinary. Like the man said earlier sometimes you sound so intelligent and then there are times like this where you wonder where all that intellect went to… I’ll give ya a stat. I carry. If you try to rob me you won’t have to worry about a courtroom most likely. If you want to label that vigilante go ahead. I call it defending ones self. Also please Jerry don’t fool yourself with your “spinning heel kick” …Bruce Lee you are not!
@Tim, statistics please, not just imaginary hypotheses. Let’s deal with facts, not fantasies. Just give us the links to research that supports your contention that concealed carry deters crime.
BTW, Bruce Lee was Jeet Kune Do, so of course I am not Bruce Lee, because the styles I worked in for 20 years were different: Tae Kwon Do, Shorin Ryu, Kempo Goju, and Kinetekan.
@Jerry: Regarding your comment ” Just give us the links to research that supports your contention that concealed carry deters crime. ”
For someone who tries to come across as an astute individual you fail miserably. Where in any of my above posts do I ever “contend” that carrying concealed deters crime? I didn’t so that must exist in the make believe world of Jerry that exists not actually on this board. What I did state however was that if a person chooses to carry it potentially affords that person a way to protect ones self as a last resort or to possibly intervene if you see a violent crime happening to another person who cannot defend themselves. Carrying concealed doesn’t “deter” crime anymore than the police do. People commit crimes everyday knowing the police are out there. People will commit crimes knowing people potentially have a firearm on their person. I ask in the future that you would not embellish my comments but represent them as they were stated.
So, there is no rationale to justify concealed carry other than a primal testosterone urge to posses power by artificial enhancement? How sad….
This conversation is like clapping with one hand. Have a good evening Jerry.
It’s more like spanking with one hand.. spanking oneself! I don’t know kung fu fightin’ , so I’ll have to settle for carrying a gun to protect myself. I bet you can surely finf out how many crimes are commited against people who aren’t carrying. That’s the only one that really matters. Jerry, you don’t seem to be lacking the skills the read up in this topic youself, so quit whining about those of us who choose to exercise our rights.
You aren’t exercising your rights. You’re exercising your fantasies. Everyone out who has used their concealed carry weapon to interrupt a crime in progress, raise your hand!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AA_dgRdDhk
Of course Jerry would have done his “spinning heel kick” and got his face shot off…but hey it’s his choice to bring a foot to a gun fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpKTqCCJdAo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_But23A9A0k&feature=related
Here you would have gotten to pull off the quadruple spinning heel kick go Jerry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0&feature=related
Here you would have only got a triple spinning heel kick in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blq_a_lqDBs&feature=related
Here only a double spinning heel kick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV4Xqt62pf8&feature=related
Let me know if I should keep going. I could post these for days…If you are so anti-gun and pro martial arts where is your dojo to train all the good people of Antigo so they don’t need their stinking firearms?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o0CyqZ2D-g&list=UU02JJcAx3xXhXflFI_wgZ6g&index=3&feature=plcp
Sorry forgot one for the ladies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6pYEJhIFxQ&feature=autoplay&list=UU02JJcAx3xXhXflFI_wgZ6g&lf=plcp&playnext=1
I’m quite sure this walmart employee is happy the old guy was carrying a gun while shopping! Of course Jerry you could have jumped the counter and gave him a spinning heel kick and knocked his head off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wmy0Wybcd0
Oh my ccw permit holder defends himself from robbers who shot him. He must be living in a fantasy Jerry and the incident never really happened!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1KvThjqV8&feature=related
Barista turns tables on robber with gun. She didn’t kick him Jerry. She held a pistol on him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDs-yGTdPFo&feature=related
Michigan bank customer pulls firearm and stops robber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPYu4Mu2dto&feature=related
Mans shooting spree stopped by armed citizen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt18FzfIHfg&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Bingo hall robber shot dead by owner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zZGe3f0mc&feature=related
Woman with ccw shoots and stops robbery
Just getting ready to sit down and eat a fine turkey sandwich for lunch and thought I’d share another case of ccw protecting a law abiding citizen. Feel free to tell me when to stop posting Jerry seeing as ccw never helps anyone and we are all just testosterone fueled crazy people just waiting to put a “cap” in your backside…roflcopter!
Doing a little cherry-picking there, aren’t you? On the other hand, Tim….
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/08/30-0
“Since May 2007, concealed handgun permit holders have killed at least 189 individuals–including nine law enforcement officers–in 26 states. Of the 114 incidents that resulted in the deaths, in more than half (63 incidents) the concealed handgun permit holder has already been convicted, committed suicide after the shooting, or was killed in the incident. Of the 51 cases still pending, the vast majority (44) of concealed handgun permit holders have been charged with criminal homicide, two were deemed incompetent to stand trial, two incidents were unintentional shootings, and three incidents are still under investigation. Of the 114 incidents, 16 were mass shootings where concealed handgun permit holders claimed the lives of 65 victims. “
This bears repeating: “Of the 114 incidents, 16 were mass shootings where concealed handgun permit holders claimed the lives of 65 victims. “ Looks like guns don’t kill people: idiots with concealed-carry licenses kill people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkc8AJLRVJs&feature=related
Clerk shoots robber in the face. Fast footed Jerry would have gotten him though no doubt!
Cherry picking? Nope just showing that people acting in accordance with the law can do good with a ccw. Do some people make bad judgement calls and end up shooting someone else or don’t follow the law and shoot someone when it isn’t called for YEP it happens…you can’t cure stupid. Every year how many police officers get charged with a bad shoot? That shows you that even with the highest level of training one can make a bad call. Well Jerry you have a good day and we will just agree to disagree. Take care!
As usual with such discussions, Tim, the object is not persuade your opponent, but to create a shift in the attitudes of uncommitted observers. It would be interesting to have a before and after vote, wouldn’t it?
@Jerry: That would be a very interesting thing (vote). A great thread to test drive that idea would be on the school referendum thread. We could also pre poll elections so that we could let the clowns currently running the big top know that they are most likely out of a job and I think advanced notice like that would be splendid!
I think there’s a survey function in WordPress. Or, there are free survey tools on the web one could use. Something to think about….
Jerry, my gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy’s car.
Gun Control: being able to place 5 rounds in the bull’s eye at 50 yards.
Left wing BS… Tim, look into the archives of Jerry’s link and it says it all. The first one for the month I looked at was” GOP trying to corperatize elections”, or some crap like that.
I think Tim did an excellent job showing examles and all you can come up with is the leftist crap. Even Chuck Norris carry a gun, but then again, he probably can’t kick like Jerry.
@Jerry
Are you kidding jerry with your nonesense or is this a serious discusion? There is plenty of information out there supporting the crime deterent of concealed carry as well as voilent crime reductions in states after it is implimented. Do you really think your flawed lofic makes more sense than the 48 states before us that have followed suit and created concealed carry laws for their citizens? After a while the excuses of accidents and mistaken shootings and the wild west just get laughable. Accidents happen all the time Jerry. Why do you need a knife to cut your steak Jerry when God gave you teeth to use? You could fall down and stab yourself or someone else with it or even use it in anger? Another woman just cut her husbands peins off with one, should we ban them? Animals don’t use knifes and they don’t have these problems! There are also many cases of police accidentally shooting inocent people as well as each other, do we take the guns from them also?
Scary Doctor Facts
This is really something to think about:
A. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000
B. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year is 120,000
C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 (US Dept of Health & Human
Services).
Then think about this:
A. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
B. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
C. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
gun owners.
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors
before this gets out of hand.
@ Jerry. Read through this while you soak your leathal weapons lol. I am dying to hear what type of nonesense spews from your cake hole after.
http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/ShallIssue.htm#c27
Ben said, “Jerry, my gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy’s car.”
And Ted Kennedy’s car has killed fewer people than Bush’s War in Iraq. (Observers: note that Ben is using a fallacious argument called “Waving the bloody shirt”, which is the injection of an irrelevant presumed outrage to distract participants from the fact that the debater has nothing valid to offer in support of his losing argument. This specific flavor of Waving the Blood Shirt is called “Playing the Chappaquiddick Card”, and is a much-cherish debate move of political Conservatives.)
Big Trucker said, “… look into the archives of Jerry’s link and it says it all. The first one for the month I looked at was” GOP trying to corperatize elections”, or some crap like that.”
@Big Trucker, so what? How does the political preference of the reporter disqualify the legitimacy of the reported facts? Facts are facts. If you dispute the facts, argue with evidence of your own, rather than offer your biased opinions about the biases of the reporter. Or, don’t you know how to deal with evidence? (Observers: note that Big Trucker’s fallacious argument is called “Poisoning the well”, which is an attempt to reject evidence by casting aspersions on the opponent rather than deal with the evidence. This is an offshoot of the “ad hominem” attack, which aims at the personal attributes (race, sex, education, family background) of the opponent to distract attention from the attacker’s inability to offer valid argument to support his stand on the issue. “Poisoning the well” is a technique much-favored by Conservatives who do not have evidence of their own to offer to the argument.)
@Really, I read the article. It provides some interesting overview of attitudes and issues surrounding concealed carry. However, it relies almost exclusively on anecdotal evidence (so-call “sob stories”) to advance its discussion. While the author points to statistical support for the point that concealed carry may not correlate with increased homicide rates, it does nothing to show how concealed carry actually provides any social benefit. The best you can claim is that it does not drastically increase harm, but so what? What’s the benefit, the betterment of our lives? Is there some drastic reduction in crime as a result of the implementation of concealed carry? If not, what’s the point?
@Really said, “Are you kidding jerry with your nonesense or is this a serious discusion? There is plenty of information out there supporting the crime deterent of concealed carry as well as voilent crime reductions in states after it is implimented.”
Okay, so, show some. Anecdotal evidence (individual personal stories) don’t count, because they do nothing to show the overall picture, and are too-easily fabricated. Show us some before-and-after statistics to support your contentions, so we have something substantial to consider, instead of being forced to assess your argument based on the heat of your personal belief.